"As I wasn’t present I’m not going to magically make a judgement as to whether Robinson’s behaviour was or was not a breach of the peace."The Phantom
There's video. Try not to be a prat.
"The police certainly thought so and you usually defend police decisions or do you only defend police decisions when they are killing people?"
Examples?
"More amazingly, indeed gobsmackingly amazing is that YOU are apparently totally cool with this same fraudster trying to disrupt court proceedings in a way that could have led to a mistrial and the release of the defendants."
If some guy standing on the sidewalk with a phone can "disrupt court proceedings in a way that could have led to a mistrial and the release of the defendants" then the British justice system has larger issues that need to be addressed. But it is fun watching you defend this.
Here's the thing floppy. Everybody knows Tommy Robinson is a fame seeking, self-promoting dick. I think he's a dick. I wouldn't vote for him. But he's the one bucking the system today, and the system just crushed him. That would be the same system that actively moved to protect the "Muslim grooming gang" at trial in the first place, don't forget.
The issue that you are pretending does not exist is that if the State can arrest and jail Tommy Robinson for quietly holding up his phone on the sidewalk in front of the court house, they can arrest and jail -me-. Or you. You've got a blog. What is to stop some chair polisher deciding they don't like you and chucking you in jail? All it would take to change your politically protected status is an election.
The other issue is the gag order. Controversial political figure gets arrested and jailed in six hours? That's a pretty big deal. Publication ban on top of that? That's how police states do things.
An extremely dangerous precedent to set. But here you are, perfectly okay with it and using the occasion to bash your political enemies, because you don't like the guy they arrested. I'm certain that you would be screaming with rage if the same thing was done to someone you do like. Which means either you don't understand the principles at play here, or you're fundamentally dishonest. Or both.
I'm embracing the power of "and".
Thursday, May 31, 2018
Leftist defends fascist police state arrest.
floppy cameldork has been running his mouth again, and saying my name. As he continues to block my responses to his provocations, I will continue to post them here. No links, unless he stops playing puerile games with the blocking of comments. Camel spewings in italics:
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I'm going to say this once more Phantom.
He was actively filming outside the court - this is *not* "quietly holding up his phone" as you erroneously believe - and trying to identify fhe defendants in a sensitive trial with a postponement order on any reporting. He did not have the right to be there. Doing what he was doing was a breach of the peace (ie he was actively trying to endanger the lives of the defendants and their families by revealing their identities) and he was in contempt of court by breaking the recording restrictions.
He also had a suspended sentence from a previous conviction at play, which means if he's caught, you know, actively breaking the law within the period of the suspended sentence then he's basically screwed. And since he was breaking the law (breach of the peace, and charged with contempt of court) then that suspended sentence kicks in *as well*.
This is not a very difficult thing to understand and I'm utterly boggled that this isn't getting through to you. You'll defend the right of the US police to shoot an unarmed black man but not the right of the UK police to sensibly exercise their power to get someone with a known history of exactly this kind of behaviour from potentially causing a mistrial in an extremely sensitive court case, effectively letting the defendants go free on a technicality?
They weren't trying to protect the "Muslim grooming gang" by the way - they were protecting the trial from getting thrown out due to the actions of an utter moron. An utter moron that you are defending because you perceive yourself to be on the same side of the political divide. If this utter moron is one of your allies you should rethink your positions and your life.
If you delete this then I'll know for sure you're a coward arguing in bad faith and know that your argument is a terrible and misguided one.
Well you're certainly braver than floppy cameldick, actually commenting here instead of playing Block The Response with the spam filter.
"They weren't trying to protect the "Muslim grooming gang" by the way -"
That is certainly a change from previous policy, if true. Hence my post.
Here's an in-depth examination of the affair from National Review: https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/05/tommy-robinson-grooming-gangs-britain-persecutes-journalist/
The money quote is this part: "The primary issue is that for years the British state allowed gangs of men to rape thousands of young girls across Britain. For years the police, politicians, Crown Prosecution Service, and every other arm of the state ostensibly dedicated to protecting these girls failed them. As a number of government inquires have concluded, they turned their face away from these girls because they were terrified of the accusations of racism that would come their way if they did address them. They decided it wasn’t worth the aggravation."
So you'll excuse me I hope if the prospect of some jerk with a phone on the street seems less pressing than the total failure of the state to protect children from rape.
"An utter moron that you are defending because you perceive yourself to be on the same side of the political divide."
Where are you getting that I am defending Tommy Robinson? Did I say it was a great idea for him to be where he was, doing what he was doing? He's a dick.
But if they can bust him and fuck him around the way they are, they can do the same to me. That's incredibly dangerous.
Furthermore, citizens have a RIGHT to film the police doing things in public spaces. It is not, and should not be illegal to record the actions of officials, and the more sensitive the issue the more important that right is.
"You'll defend the right of the US police to shoot an unarmed black man..."
Specifics, ducky. There have been so many "unarmed" black men shot while trying to kill American policemen the last few years, I lose track. Which murdered innocent are you talking about?
I take a rather dim view of the cops, they tend to be inept and crooked. Every once in a while they make themselves useful, but generally they are apple thieves and tax collectors.
http://phantomsoapbox.blogspot.com/2012/04/put-down-porkchop-and-come-out-with.html
Camestros Fellapton? Possibly the most disingenuous, bespawling dorbel I've ever encountered in this wide wide hive of scum and villainy we call the Interwebz?
TFG. I can't stand that f&$%ing guy. And if I knew nothing else about him, the fact that he selectively allows certain comments, filtering the responses he does not like, I would still call him a chicken$#!# coward.
Also, I remember reading, with regards to Robinson's previous court order, that there was a great deal of confusion about it because two different judges gave Robinson two different interpretations of the order; One where he could video, one where he couldn't.
Some twits can't wrap their brain around certain tactics being double edged swords that can harm their side as much as their opposing side. The others are dishonest shills, possibly paid but more likely they're just that breed of imbecile known to Men of Science as the Useful Idiot. They volunteer their double digit IQ to the cause. Smart enough to know what they are doing is wrong, dumb enough to think they will survive when their side Turns the Purge on them.
How unsurprising, one driveby comment of wild accusation, then nothing. Typical jackass puppy kicker.
Hi Emmett. There's no doubt that the British government let Pakistani immigrants get away with raping girls for 15 years, its a matter of record. And there's no doubt they'd be happy to continue, given the punishment they heap on the heads of anyone who calls them on it. Robinson is just one example of a trend in British government policy. I don't expect it to end well for them.
As to the floppy cameltron, he's a pitiful case. He reads all my comments, first of all. Then deletes any that don't support his cause of the day, posting only those comments he thinks will forward his narrative or embarrass me. He also regularly takes comments of mine that he has deleted, then makes out-of-context blog posts out of them.
The other thing he does is scrape comments from myself and others from blogs he's banned at, and makes blog posts out of those as well.
As to the idiots like KasaObake, you could probably write a ten-line Java program to create the same comments they do.
This is the behavior that is nominated for a Hugo Award. Best outcome I can imagine is that guy winning the prize. Best Fanwriter, floppy cameldick. Accepting the award because floppy is too pussy to come himself, an out-house rat.
Everybody knows Tommy Robinson is a fame seeking, self-promoting dick. I think he's a dick.
"Everyone" is an ignorant ass.
He may've started that way when he first started working with Rebel Media to report on the Islamification of England. Before he discovered how widespread and evil the rape gangs targeting his people were. But at this point, he's a Thomas Paine speaking truth to deeply corrupt power.
I'd link to the comprehensive interview w/Mr.Robinson, telling his history with the courts and why he keeps on despite the huge personal costs, but it appears to be another victim of U.K. censorship.
He did not have the right to be there. Doing what he was doing was a breach of the peace (ie he was actively trying to endanger the lives of the defendants and their families by revealing their identities)
Lie.
The BBC had already published, on air, their identities.
He also had a suspended sentence from a previous conviction at play,
Lie.
Robinson pulled a Rosa Parks and violated UK censorship laws to report on grooming gangs. He was convicted, as she was, of violating a corrupt law. Mrs. Parks' sentence "in play" didn't make her fair game for KKK cops anytime she got on a bus. Mr. Robinson's sentence didn't make him fair game for a police state for obeying the letter of the UKs's censorship laws while drawing public attention to the rape gangs the police are trying to protect.
they were protecting the trial from getting thrown out due to the actions of an utter moron.
Lie
Nothing Mr. Robinson was doing could have gotten the trial thrown out, because simply reminding the British public that the trial was happening is both legal under British Law AND Mr. Robinson limited his speech about the trial and defendents to what had been previously published by the government owned reporters.
Bonus: Mr. Robinson was denied access to his lawyer.
Human right activists are unhappy that actual ISIS supporters are being denied this, but apparently for Camel whosit that's okay for Mr. Robinson, because he never met a Marxist police state he didn't like.
And for the record, I AM defending Mr. Robinson.
He's put his life on the line to defend his country from evil invaders, and a corrupt government that's happy with the mass rape of thousands and thousands of boys and girls, as long as those kids are low-rent ghetto trash like Mr. Robinson.
Anyone getting sniffy about Mr. Robinson's lack of couth at this point, can bite me.
Greetings Hobbit, sorry to keep your comments in spam-hell so long.
I've never been a Robinson fan, the same as I'm not a fan of Geert Wilders, or even Trump. Reason being I don't need a Man on a White Horse to come and make everything all better for me.
Having said that, Robinson is one of the only guys out there in England right now making a ruckus about the rape gangs. That's why the government is dinging him so relentlessly. He's the living proof of how dangerous the regulatory state is. If they can't get you for one thing, they'll get you for something else. That's what the regulations are for, to make sure you're guilty of something.
Meanwhile, KasaObake and the floppy cameldick are lying in defense of a fascist police state move by the Brit government.
In other words, nothing new here. ~:D
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