First, the two against. Lets look at their arguments.
Kier said some things.
First: "So disagreeing with someone over pop culture is license to punch them in the face now?"
An extremely passive/aggressive method of claiming my argument to be of no value, which is notable in how completely it misses the point of what I said. This is not an argument about pop culture, this is an argument about JF Sargent's claim of racism against a large group, of which I am one member.
Then: "Even in the words were meant as an insult directly to you (and they certainly weren't) that's all they are-- words."
Again, the passive/aggressive calling into question of me, my argument, plus a new assertion that "words" are of no consequence. No support for his assertion of course, we're just supposed to take it on faith that words are of no consequence.
And finally: "As for punching the author in the face just because you perceive an insult that's not even there, no man. That's ridiculous."
Finally, an actual strong statement. My perceptions are incorrect, there was no insult, and I'm ridiculous for wanting to punch JF Sargent in the face. Argument from invisible and unstated authority. "Everybody knows" that's ridiculous.
The other guy is "anonymous", his argument is much lamer. First: "Yeah... you know he wasn't specifically addressing you right"
Um, yeah. I know. He's addressing a class of numerous individuals. Of which I am but one. We covered this.
Second: "But 1960 was during Jim Crow, so... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Crow_laws"
This is just stupid. FF#1 came out in November 1961. The laws that finished all the Jim Crow bullshit were the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965. The movement to finally end discrimination against Black people had fully taken over the country by 1961 when Lee and Kirby published FF#1. The only holdouts were hard core Democrats.
So to recap, "words are just words", "he wasn't insulting you personally anyway", and (being generous) "the 1960's really were racist".Words are just words. By extension, comics are just comics and movies are just movies. Except when they're an attack on the character of an entire class of people. Except when movies are two hundred million dollar instruments of propaganda, being used to further a particular political agenda.
Looking at what JF Sargent said, piece by piece (and leaving out the lame asides and feeble jests):
"News has broken that Michael B. Jordan is being considered to play Johnny Storm (The Human Torch) in the upcoming Fantastic Four reboot. Naturally, comic book fans across the Internet are furious... because Michael B. Jordan is black. And in the comics, Johnny Storm is white. But these Fantastic Four fans aren't mad because they're racist (they insist). No, their reasons are much more complicated, because ..."
#5 "It's Not About Race." See, these complaints aren't about the character's race; they're about not changing the character's race. If that sounds confusing and contradictory, that's because it is.